Episode 16: Freedom to Live Life Fully
Today we’re sitting in circle with Yvonne Winkler, a calm, gentle, light-hearted soul with a big mission - to help women harness their strengths to live a life they choose. She is a freedom seeker, and soul-sister, and someone I admire because she has done the courageous work of taking her pain, and consciously turning it into her passion and gift to the world.
What’s in this episode for you:
A story of Yvonne’s painful beginning that drew her toward the work she does today
How our own self-care radiates out and impacts everything around us
The pitfalls that are keeping women away from freedom
The effective ways we can move beyond these barriers and find safety and security regardless of our situation
Yvonne’s beautiful story of being the change
Poem: Poem 69 - Tanya Markul
Give up all the worlds, places, relationships, jobs, diets, programs and things you’ve been trying to force yourself into. You were born to be free. Like falling leaves, the hummingbird, lioness, and honeybee. You’re a land-loving mermaid, a dreamer among trees. You are the gatherer, the storyteller, part of an invisible mystery….and visible proof of magic.
Who’s in circle with us:
Yvonne Winkler - The quest for freedom to live a full life is rooted in Yvonne’s personal journey from oppression to freedom. Having escaped the barbed wire fences and mind control of former communist Germany, she intimately understands how fear blocks our path to the life we want. With over 18 years of business development, consulting and marketing experience she now coaches women to find the clarity they want and harness the strength they already have to live a life they choose. Yvonne is the CEO of Lotus Consulting, Founder of the Freedom Seeker Community and former Managing Director Alberta Chapters with one of the largest and widely recognized premier business networking organizations, eWomen Network.
Connect with Yvonne through, www.yvonnewinkler.com, Facebook, LinkedIn, and Instagram.
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Ame-Lia Tamburrini (AT): Change begins from within. As easy as it is to look outside of ourselves and want the world to change, the truth is, it never will if we remain the same. This podcast was created for change-makers like you who want more love and connection in your community. Today you are going to hear stories that will inspire you, and also challenge you to be the change. We are going to go deep, my friend, so take a deep breath and settle in. My name is Ame-Lia Tamburrini - Welcome to the Circle of Change.
Welcome to the beginning of October, my friend. I don't know about you, but September came in like a bull and left me feeling like I wanted less of the things that were no longer aligned with what really lights me up. I craved it and spent the whole month refocusing, and shutting, and preparing to create another set of ways to serve the world that really energized me. It's exciting as I stand here in October to think about all that is coming. And there were some big growing pains last month. It makes this conversation that we're about to have so important. We’re sitting in circle with Yvonne Winkler who is this calm, gentle, lighthearted soul with a big mission to help women harness their strength to live a life they choose.
She is a freedom seeker, a soul sister, and somebody I admire because she's done the courageous work of taking your pain and consciously turning it into her passion and gifting it to the world. I recently spent a day with Yvonne filming an episode for her Freedom Seekers Show. And in that time together, I walked away with so much more clarity, and confidence, and solutions to things that I had been struggling with. She's so generous with her wisdom and has a heart of gold. And you get to experience that today.
You are going to hear a story of Yvonne's painful beginning that drew her toward the work that she does today, how our own self-care radiates out and impacts everything around us, the pitfalls that are keeping women away from freedom, the effective ways we can move beyond these barriers and find safety and security regardless of our situation, and Yvonne’s beautiful story of being the change.
Let me introduce you to Yvonne. The quest for freedom to live a full life is rigid in Yvonne’s personal journey from oppression to freedom. Having escaped the barbwire fences and mind control of former communist Germany, she intimately understands how fear blocks our path to the life we want. With over 18 years of business development, consulting, and marketing experience, she now coaches women to find the clarity they want and harness the strength they already have to live a life they choose. Yvonne is the CEO of Lotus Consulting, a founder of the Freedom Seeker Community, and former managing director of the Alberta Chapters with one of the largest and widely recognized premier business networking organizations, the eWomenNetwork. Welcome to circle. Hi, Yvonne.
YW: Hi. Hi, Ame-Lia.
AT: Welcome to the Circle of Change.
YW: Thank you for having me.
AT: You're so welcome. This is a really special circle because we are actually recording this in person and I've never done that before. And I have to say that there's already this magical energy that I'm feeling that I don't necessarily pick up all the time on Zoom. So, thank you for creating this opportunity for us.
YW: Thank you. I love it too. There's nothing better for me than to actually sit across from the person I’m having a dialog with. And we are at a roundtable.
AT: We are. Okay. Well, I’m so excited about this conversation because we've just recently met, but I know deep in my soul that we are soul sisters and we have very similar missions in the world. And we're going about it maybe slightly differently based on our own histories and what brought us to where we are right now. And I just feel that the work that you're doing is bringing so much light to the world. And you come at it with such loving energy and also strength, which I really appreciate. So, I'm delighted to get the opportunity to bring that energy to whoever is sitting in circle with us today that's listening.
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YW: Wonderful. Oh, thank you. I'm so happy to be here.
AT: Great. So, as with all circles, I like to start with a poem. And this really is an opportunity for us to settle into the space, just take a deep breath and become present to this conversation and what's here for us. So, this poem comes from one of my favorite books. It's called The She Book and the author is Tanya Markul. This is her poem #69.
Give up all the world's places, relationships, jobs, diets, programs, and the things you've been trying to force yourself into. You were born to be free like falling leaves, a hummingbird, lioness, and honeybee. You’re a land-loving mermaid, a dreamer among trees. You are the gatherer, the storyteller, part of an invisible mystery, and visible proof of magic.
Those words were writing for you.
YW: So do I.
AT: I love it. Does anything come up for you?
YW: What really stood out was the land-loving mermaid. We are currently in, I think, one of the most beautiful places in the world. And this morning, I took my puppy for a walk right down by the ocean and it's just so grounding for me. And it’s, I guess, a bit ironic that I use grounding as the word because it's water, but the element of water has— and I've known this for a long time— has a lot of meaning for me and it’s the very substantial piece from my well-being and also for my creativity.
AT: Beautiful.
YW: So, that’s what stood out, but there was lots— Any time I hear the word “freedom” and like a fallen leaf were also in my favorite season and, no, it has nothing to do with my birthday.
AT: Nice. We can add that in there too.
YW: Yeah.
AT: That's so great. So, I’d like to start with this question. Who are you? And it's a way for you to just dive into your soul and see what comes up to you when you hear those words. So, Yvonne, who are you?
YW: That is such a great question. The first thing that comes up for me is I'm a freedom seeker. I'm a caring wife. I'm a daughter. I’m a proud mother of my schnauzie puppy. I’m an entrepreneur. I am joyful. I'm an empire. I am a high sensing person and highly sensitive. I'm a lover of nature, especially the emerald green that we get to see here on the island and the deep blue ocean. And I’m funny.
AT: Yes. Yeah. Thank you for that. I was just talking to a group of women yesterday who I adore. And we're all very much into doing our self-work and we recognize that there can be a seriousness to that. And each of us shared the importance of humor in our journeys. And so, I'm really glad that you touched on that at the end because I think we're all funny. We just forget or get distracted.
YW: suppress it. For me personally, that’s been my experience, is I suppress it. A little touch of not enoughness and thinking I'm not funny or I’m not as funny as and then suppressing my own sense of humor. I'm actually just playing with that piece of myself.
AT: Yeah. Love it. Okay. As you’ve said, you are a freedom speaker and it's a big part of the work that you're doing right now in the world. So, I wanna start asking the question, what does freedom mean to you, mainly because as I go on my journey, I’m learning that words mean different things to different people. And so, I always like to get a sense of what does this word “freedom” mean to you. And also, why are you so passionate about it?
YW: Let me start with the first question.
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Freedom to me means— In my world, it means I can wake up after a really restful, peaceful sleep in my own bed and start my morning in a quiet way with a cup of coffee, snuggles with my puppy, and some journaling or reading, and then enthusiastically going about the day. Knowing fully well not every day is sunshine, and butterflies, and rainbows, and all that of, but being okay with that too. Not being depressed. Depression has been a part of my life for a long time. And so, any day I can wake up in a joyful well way is freedom for me.
Freedom also means having choice. So, the freedom to choose where I live when I get up, what I do creatively, who I spend my time with. Freedom to choose just what every aspect of who I am and who I want to be. And why I’m so passionate about it, Ame-Lie, and thank you for asking that because that's really where my story started. And where I was born and raised, I did not have freedom of choice. I did not have any freedom, especially not travel or to learn what I wanted to learn, to have a free speech or to have a free mind to explore different things of the world or of different philosophies or anything like that.
I grew up in former East Germany. I was born there and I was 11 when we left. Wooh, that just brought up a whole bunch of emotion. Wow. And so, to not have the ability or to be told what to do, when to do it, and what to learn, and what to think, and what you can say, and what you can't say was a very incremental piece of my life. And I think the other piece to that was that if I didn't obey, there were consequences to that. And those consequences weren't just a slap on the wrist. They were substantial. They could go from anything from imprisonment to being taken away from my family to even death. I mean there's lots of people that have lost their lives trying to leave East German or trying to escape the communism.
And so, it was never safe for me to speak, to say what I really wanted to say or say what I felt. So, imagine as a child, especially in those formative years up to 5, where that would be really important or very forming to feel safe, to be who you really are, or to say what you want to say. But literally, from a very, very early time on, I was trained to fit in, to conform into a box. And that never felt right to me. And so, when we finally escaped East Germany and that political oppression, a whole new journey started for me and I had to learn everything. And it wasn't until much later in my life that I discovered that that was what was driving everything I do today, is that seeking of just fulfillment and peace within. I think peace within is something I would like to add to what freedom means to me. It’s peace within.
AT: Wow. Oh gosh, that story is so powerful and it actually makes emotional because I just think it's a beautiful thing when we are able to really look at our lives, and look at that pain, and then turn it into our passion and not only for us to change our lives, but then to transform the lives of other people, which I think is exactly what you are doing in the world today. And that work is courageous. It's not easy.
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So, I'm grateful for you and your journey.
YW: You know, I feel very heard right now. So, thank you for that. You know, being an entrepreneur was a choice, but not only is it lonely at times. Especially if you're doing something that really out comes from deep within, it is very vulnerable. And so, that courage that you speak of is something that I would imagine every entrepreneur whose work in the world involves their own hearts faces that. So, I really love that you touched on that because it does take resilience. It does take propping yourself up every morning. And it does take a lot of presence.
AT: Absolutely. Yeah. So grateful for you. We touched a little bit into the fact that you've gone through this journey in your life and now you've turned that journey really into a career to support other people. And in reading through the work that you do, there’s an additional piece there that, yes, you're transforming individuals. You’re helping them transform and really step into their own freedom, their peace and ease in life. And there's a recognition that that actually has an impact on the outside world as well. So, can you speak a little bit to that connection?
YW: Yes, absolutely. I would suspect a bit of that comes from my past and not just from my immediate history, but also from a lineage of women who had to be very strong, and robust, and self-sustaining. And when I decided to be an entrepreneur, I had learned or somewhere along the way— And like I said, I think it also came down a little bit from that lineage that I have to do it all and I have to do it all by myself. And I've gone through life pretty okay with that mindset or with that believe. Unfortunately, it burned me out and in a really hard way. And it's very lonely road. And entrepreneurship is lonely as it is or can be. It doesn’t have to be, but it can be.
And so, when I reached that burnout, I realized that it isn't selfish to make sure that I'm okay first. And in fact, it's absolutely necessary because if I'm not okay, then I can't show up in the world. I can't be who I want to be and impact the world how I want to impact it. And so, I thought “Oh, now I got it. All good. Roll up my sleeves once again and start it up again.” And very quickly, I moved into that pattern again of like overwork and trying to do it all by myself.
And so, where the connection for me is is that if we’re not okay as an individual, as the I, nobody around us is going to be okay and nobody around them is going to be okay. So, the only way I can actually make the impact that I want to make is by just staying in my own lane and taking care of me first and foremost because when I do that, I can be present, I can be well, and I can be that light. And I’m using air quotes right now. But that light that everyone speaks about, I can only be that if I'm okay. So, in my work, I have these 3 phases: the rise, the bloom, and the radiate. So, what I'm speaking to right now is the radiate.
When we are okay and we have a well-being about us that, like I said, is not that I wake up every morning and unicorns fly by, but I'm okay. And I know even when hardship hits, I can walk through it and I'll be okay on the other side of it. Then the relationships around me, the people around me feel differently around me as well and so on. And so, that’s the ripple effect. That's the radiate of the lotus flower that I use in my analogy, but also the radiance of us humans.
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So, when we're individually taking care of ourselves, we take care of the collective. So, it’s me, the we, the us and that's basically how I arrived at that was. There’s no honor in doing it all by yourself and standing on the mountaintop raising your arm going I did it. It always takes a team. And I honestly— I don't know about you, Ame-Lia, but I've never met anyone who has described success without having also set their gratitude to a lineup of people alongside with them. Right? So, it takes a team effort to be successful, but it also— That means we need to- It’s a we. It’s a we scenario.
AT: Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I've also gone through a similar journey in terms of thinking I needed to do everything myself. And actually, I took pride in that because that was the model. And it took a lot of, yeah, breaking down to see— Not only breaking down, but then a lot of support to help me see that it’s actually better when we do things together. The outcomes are so much more magical.
YW: More magical and faster.
AT: Yeah.
YW: You know? I mean, sure, we can climb the mountain by ourselves, but it's going to take a whole lot longer than when you have someone with you singing a song like on the way.
AT: Yes. Yes. I appreciate that about the eWomen, but we are both familiar with that their motto is lift others as you climb. And there's beauty in that because sometimes when I am in a state in my business where the unicorns aren't flying, it's actually more motivating to me to get up knowing that I'm going to impact somebody else. Like this is not about me actually. This is about the influence I get to make out there and contribute to how I wanna see the world transform and blossom. I love your words, the words that you're using. So, I really appreciate you speaking about that, giving it some light.
So, we've already touched into some of the pitfalls in terms of women being able to access this freedom, this ease. What are some of the other pitfalls? Or continue to elaborate on that one of doing things alone. So, what are the pitfalls that are keeping women away from finding freedom?
YW: Oh. And it’s such a good question, Ame-Lia, because I think that those pitfalls are really the stoppers either from someone really stepping into their purpose or into their full life that they want, but also the pitfalls for maybe sabotaging their success. And one of them hands down is the community aspect of it. I would say that ranks right up in the top 3. The first one though would be security. I think our attachment to security is so strong that— and not always healthy security either. That we stand in our own way because we fear that if we actually step into our purpose, we're gonna be abandoned by our families and friends or society as a whole.
I feel that the sense of security is also reemphasized on a daily basis from a materialistic point of view, so the things we have to have to survive. I think we all got a really good dose of that last year when we realized, oh, I don't need half the stuff that I have. So, if you’re wondering where is my sense of security, last year was really great gauge for that in terms of where you're getting your well-being from. So, security is probably the #1 reason and that's often what I hear from my clients, is they move from their dream scape, so the ideal of what they would love to do in an ideal world, to the how right away because of that security attachment. It's like the umbilical cord. You know, they don't know how to severe it. They're like “Oh, my God, if I don't have that job, that income, I'm gonna die. I'm not gonna survive.”
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You know? And I mean, there’s legitimacy to some of those concerns. And every one situation must be examined individually. Like I was saying to you earlier, a single mom has definitely different concerns and security concerns than maybe a single guy does, you know, or who isn’t a dad. So, there’s that. So, security community, not having a community, thinking you can do it all yourself. And some of the other pitfalls I would say, not starting when— before they're ready. I think that's a big one too. So many women that I work with, they wait. They sit on the sideline, and they wait, and they wait, and they wait. And I'm not gonna include myself on that. I don’t know about you, but I have been to so many meetings where something that I’ve been saying in my own little quiet space for a long time suddenly is being said from the state and I’m like “Ooh, I’ve been saying that for years!”
It’s like “Wow, why didn’t I have the courage to just out it like that?” And so, there’s that waiting until everything is perfect is definitely paralyzing or until you have enough information. That's another way it shows up, is in form of information. And I see that more in women than I do in men. Our need to gather absolutely every piece of information we can have. And I think partly, again, that has to do with the security piece. You know, we feel more secure in a world that we know. So, we look for all the possible information we can get, but that can also— I don't know if this is an appropriate term, but paralysis by analysis. We literally stifle our own ability to move and to do something because we are in information overload. So, those would be I think the four biggest pitfalls that I see.
AT: I can relate to so many of those. Especially about hearing things that you've been thinking about for a really long time be said somewhere in public. You’re like “Ooh, yeah, it kinda hurts.” But now, I'm learning to take that as a sign of to just step in to do it, to release the words out into the world, which is really cool. So, how do we get past that? How do we overcome these pitfalls and not let them, yeah, stop us from living a life that we probably can't even imagine how good that life could be? How do we overcome all of that? Sounds like a lot of mindset.
YW: Mindset is where I think it begins. And womb space and heart space is where it has to go to be in that place. And I think that's the crux of it. You said earlier, you know, the courage to be an entrepreneur. That's exactly it right there. I forget the exact quote and I should really learn it because I go to it so often that enlightenment is not necessarily an easy journey or that it's not this fun ride. There's a lot of work involved and there is a lot of courageous work involved.
And how do we get through those pitfalls? Well, I mean there is the surface easy steps and I could give you those, but that's not who I am. I'm gonna go a little bit deeper into underneath all of that and that would be you need to become present. It's as simple as that. Like if we are consistently distracted by the noise around us and we don't have a good practice of coming back into our own body, we will always— The image that just came to mind was like flounder like a fish on land.
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We’re always gonna gasp for air. We’re always gonna try to get back into the water. We really need to have a good established presence practice, or mindfulness practice, or meditation practice, whatever your terminology around that is. And it starts with the first step. And I think that's the other thing, is we and I try to do everything instantaneously and overnight. And that's not how things are ever moved. We need to do small consistent steps every single day and that, again, starts with if you don't have a presence practice right now, then start, but just start with a minute or maybe two and it might just look like breath work at the moment, you know, and then you go deeper, but I suspect some of the listeners right now already went “Oh, God. Like if I have to like sit in lotus pose for the next 5 minutes or even a half an hour—”
You know, Elizabeth Gilbert comes to mind in Eat, Pray, Love when she’s sitting in that Indian temple and she’s like thinking about all these things and only a minute has passed. That it. You start. You start somewhere. You start wherever you are. And you get present. And for me personally, it also involved removing some aspects that were not helpful. For me, it was alcohol. That was a distractor for me. It was taking me out of my everything I was— It was the foot on the gas and on the brake at the same time for me. So, I just had to eliminate it and that in and of itself brought me a lot of relief.
So, look at your life and see where you can make some small tweaks that are serving you to become— I don’t wanna sound— because I’m certainly not a monk or anything like that, but to your higher self, to your higher fulfillment. See what parts in your life can you eliminate too. Maybe screen time needs to go just before bed. I’m so guilty of that. Rest. Get sleep. It’s really that simple. It doesn’t have to be massive things.
AT: Right. So, it’s just start it small and, yeah, over time— And I imagine it just builds and builds and builds. And all of a sudden, you look back and you’re like “Oh, my goodness, how did I get here?” And yeah, I really appreciate everything you've shared. I also decided to step away from alcohol in my journey. And I'm really glad you brought that up because it's something I don't think our world talks about or thinks about too much.
For me also, it was a distractor. It was something I relied on instead of more healthy practices like meditation, or journaling, going to counseling. It was a way just to avoid things that I really needed to work with so that I could get to a place of freedom and joy and also have the energy and wherewithal to put into this business that is really my heart's work. So, I didn't want really anything to get in the way of that. There's still lots in the way here and there, but I get what you’re saying about these daily practices. It's just nice to build that toolbox up and come back to them. And that gives a sense of safety and security.
YW: And that's just it. Right? Like Viktor Frankl said that really well. I can’t quote him specifically in words, but that the safety, and security, and that freedom is within you. Spoiler alert, that’s really the whole secret. Freedom is within. It doesn’t come from outside of us. It is within us. So, we need to do what we need to do to find it within us. And if there is substance or distractions, unhealthy habits that are getting in the way of that, explore it.
AT: Wonderful. Yeah. I love it. So, we talked a lot about community and support. How are people able to work alongside you? Is there a community that you have the people can become part of?
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How do we work more with you, Yvonne?
YW: Wonderful question as well. Yes, absolutely, community is very important to me and community in person, but also just community to have. There’s an online community that I created years ago called The Freedom Seeker Community and that lives online. It's always evolving, but my vision for it is that eventually we would go on retreats when we can go back into the in-person world of things. And I do a lot of one-on-one work. So, I have larger community and I have smaller community. So, I have also the LEEP program, which stands for Lotus Emerging Entrepreneur Program. And that program is effectively a community where we travel the entrepreneurial journey for a year together. And we meet regularly. So, that's the smaller knitted community. And then there's the one-on-one work.
I just want to say too, the one on one work, I absolutely think that finding the support and not just on one side, like the one-on-one work was incremental for me and it was especially important when I started out to have someone who’s just focused in on me and listens to me. And that allowed me to really open up and explore some of these scary places within my mind. So, that’s one-on-one work stuff, but then there is also the aspect of community and finding a community that really is safe for you to be who you need to be or want to be. It fills your cup. It gives you strength, support. That is super important.
And how else? I have The Freedom Seekers Show. Again, that's a community too. It’s essentially what you do on podcasts I do visually because I love that visual aspect. For me, visual is very important. It’s one of my ways of touch and visual. So, that's another way you can follow me, is on The Freedom Seekers Show.
AT: Cool. Awesome. I so wish I knew about you 2-1/2 years ago, but I’m so glad I know you now.
YW: Yeah.
AT: I and this show [0:37:47][Inaudible] with asking what does the change mean to you because this show fundamentally is about helping people to be the change and that means different things to different people. So, I’m curious. In your mind, what does being the change mean?
YW: Taking care of your own house first. So, it all goes back to when I'm okay, we are okay and the whole world around us will be okay. Taking care of myself to be the best version of myself that I can be means being the change. So, if I can, it's an interesting story because my dad especially, he loves, loves debating. And so, I grew up at our breakfast table like every weekend we would have something that is going on, and we would solve world problems. I always would end the conversation by asking him “So, what are we gonna do about it?” And typically, his answer or his reply was “Well, there's nothing we can do. It’s just one person or we’re just one person.” Right? And I just refused to take that verbatim. I was like “No! There’s got to be something I can do.”
So, as a child, I remember signing petitions and stuff like that like whatever I could do. I was always like this activist. But now, I know what I can do right now is just to make sure I'm okay like make sure I come from a place of compassion, and kindness, and well-being, which is hard to find when I’m not okay. So, let's take last year for example. I was not okay and it was really difficult for me to surround myself or be that light and to talk about things. So, I just kept quiet for a while. I needed to sort things out for me first. I needed to make sure I'm okay so that I can then speak in a way to what's going on for me and what I can see from a place of intention and presence.
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And so, that's the best example I have right now as to current affairs, as to how being the change really works for me.
AT: Yeah. I really love that message because I think there's often a feeling of “Go, go, go. Like don't stop. We have to keep putting things out there.” And if we disappear for a couple months, then we’ll be forgotten especially as entrepreneurs. But even in other more traditional workplaces that we have to perform at some kind of a level at all times. And it’s actually what I hear from you and what I believe myself as well is that it’s not actually the best thing both for ourselves, but also for everybody around us, and the work that we’re able to do, and the impact that we’re able to have. And yeah, I learned that journey through my own cancer healing process where I was forced to step back. And I think a lot of people learned that lesson that way, in a difficult way. And we don't have to. We can just be intentional like you say and create that change for ourselves.
YW: Absolutely. There's so much more I can say on that. When I did my 9 months eat, pray, love, yeah, I called it back to my roots beyond trip to just really find out who Yvonne is. One of the things that blew me away was I left here thinking I was all that important. And you know, there were tears and “oh, I'm gonna miss you so much” and whatever. And when I came back almost a year later, there were people who didn't even know I had been gone. And I always remember that. It’s like it was 9 months and people didn’t even know I was gone.
So, how important is it really or how important are we really in the big scheme of things? No. Look after yourself first. And then when you're ready, you can come back into your creative process with so much more impact when you're coming from a place of replenishment, and rejuvenation, and intention, but it's hard to find that intention when we’re lost in the noise and everything else. It’s a go, go, go. So, yeah, love that summary that you had there. That's exactly what I was trying to say. Cool.
AT: Oh, this has been such a delight to have you on. A real gift actually. And I can really see how your story relates and also makes you so well positioned to do the work that you're doing in your life. Like you have come from hardship and known fear at a level much deeper than many of us. And I think that gives you a certain level of resilience and a willingness to stand for people when they might not be able to stand for themselves. Like I just see you being that light and pillar of strength.
YW: Oh, thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much.
AT: Thank you for joining us today.
YW: Thanks for having me. It’s been wonderful experience.
AT: I'm now passing the talking piece to you. If you feel called to put your voice in the circle, please head to humconsulting.ca/podcast and share your story there. I cannot wait to hear what has come up for you as you have listened to what has been shared here today. I wish you love and joy beyond your wildest imagination. Thank you so much for being here in the Circle of Change.
I also wanna express my gratitude to the following peeps: Circle of Change is recorded on Lekwungen territories and I am so grateful to live on this land. Our opening and closing music was created by the talented E-Rol Beats. You can find his creations at erolbeats.com. And special thanks to my coach, Mary Chan, of Organized Sound Productions for bringing this podcast to life. Until next time, Ciao!
Gratitude:
Circle of Change is recorded on lək̓ʷəŋən territories.
Our opening and closing music was created by the talented E-Rol Beats. You can find his creations at www.erolbeats.com
My fabulous podcast coach, Mary Chan of Organized Sound Productions, brought this podcast to life www.organizedsound.ca